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Johan Kårlin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:33 pm Yep, that's it. Now it works. I suck at this, but I am learning : ). I totally missed there were two different formats. I see it now in the documentation too. I really appreciate your help.

At least, I think I get how sample rate works. A lower sample rate means lower quality and less size and vice versa. What rate do you use? Maybe I can go lower than 11025? I just chose it because it was the lowest option Audacity suggested.

Oh, it just struck me, I am hijacking this thread. Sorry! This will be my last question about this.

Mostly I'm using 8 bit mono 11025. I usually try 8000 just to see how it sounds but 11025 is usually the cutoff for me. I've even done a few that I had to do 22050. Now mono vs stereo. Stereo ZCM's are supported, but that "DOUBLES" your file size (and load time) for a given bit rate and duration.

Ok, I will test for each sound and se how low I can go. We’re lucky to have those extra 512 Kb.

Johan Kårlin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:07 pm Ok, I will test for each sound and se how low I can go. We’re lucky to have those extra 512 Kb.

I had to play some tricks in HANGMAN to make sure it worked with those extra 512kb's only. I wish I could have counted on the installed base being 2mb extra. But I did the tricks. One trick. Pausing a ZSM Play. DON'T CALL REWIND OR CLOSE JUST PAUSE IT. Then I load a ZCM in the SAME RAM Bank. I play the ZCM and wait for it to finish. Once the ZCM is finished I reload the ZSM back where it was, then I start play back exactly where it was, before pause.

I have 4 sounds "permanently" loaded during Hangman. Key Click, Boing, and the Fireworks sounds for my Big Win Animation. Everything else is loaded on Demand starting at RAM Bank 2. I'm using the top 10 banks for the permanent sounds. The Bank Below that as a communications buffer between chained programs and a Image Buffer for "blitting". That leaves right at 400kb file limit for my load on Demand sounds on a 512kb system.

ahenry3068 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:55 pm ...you are conflating...

I'm pretty sure that's not a word.

mortarm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:06 am

ahenry3068 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:55 pm ...you are conflating...

I'm pretty sure that's not a word.

Maybe check your dictionary, because not only is it a word, but it has a pretty specific technical definition in the world of psychology.

mortarm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:06 am

ahenry3068 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:55 pm ...you are conflating...

I'm pretty sure that's not a word.

I thought it meant failing to discern between to separate things. But what do I know, English is my second language.

ahenry3068 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:15 pm I had to play some tricks in HANGMAN to make sure it worked with those extra 512kb's only. I wish I could have counted on the installed base being 2mb extra. But I did the tricks. One trick. Pausing a ZSM Play. DON'T CALL REWIND OR CLOSE JUST PAUSE IT. Then I load a ZCM in the SAME RAM Bank. I play the ZCM and wait for it to finish. Once the ZCM is finished I reload the ZSM back where it was, then I start play back exactly where it was, before pause.

I will see what I can do. Great tip! My two seconds test beep took 22 Kb, that is 3 banks already … Until now I have only used homebrewed sound effects which mean short sequences where I vary the PSG registers. Those effects only take like 30 bytes. It works quite well for shots, explosions and engine sounds, but that is just about it.

Johan Kårlin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:45 am

mortarm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:06 am

ahenry3068 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:55 pm ...you are conflating...

I'm pretty sure that's not a word.

I thought it meant failing to discern between to separate things. But what do I know, English is my second language.

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Awesome discussion about game sounds, but maybe move it to a different thread or discord channel (there are some good ones around sound and even a ZSMKit thread). I don't want any questions or bug posts related to my game to get lost in the chatter. Good topic of conversation though!

TomXP411 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:14 am Maybe check your dictionary, because not only is it a word, but it has a pretty specific technical definition in the world of psychology.

I stand corrected. A definite case not looking before I leaped. In the context of the post, I thought you meant to say, "confusing". Well, now I know, and knowing is half the battle.