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Is 65816 still "try it when feasible"?
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:42 pm
by Getafix
2 hours ago, m00dawg said:
Yes indeed! I got SUPER nervous when Dave nixed the X16 port of PETSCII Robots.
That was a particularly odd choice on his part. He could rather have cancelled all other versions and stuck to this, for the good of the project. Perhaps he doesn't really feel this is
his computer anymore, or he doesn't realize that as the father of the project, abandoning your child will look terrible in the eyes of the community. I would call this his biggest blunder to date - at least from my POV.
Is 65816 still "try it when feasible"?
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:46 pm
by m00dawg
1 minute ago, Getafix said:
That was a particularly odd choice on his part. He could rather have cancelled all other versions and stuck to this, for the good of the project. Perhaps he doesn't really feel this is his computer anymore, or he doesn't realize that as the father of the project, abandoning your child will look terrible in the eyes of the community. I would call this his biggest blunder to date - at least from my POV.
I pondered this and the optimistic scenario I came up with was probably the sound design not being set in stone perhaps? Or at least super different from the SID soundtrack the C64 will have. I thought perhaps the VERA might also be a bit shift but since it's textmode, maybe not quite so much. It could just be the X16 isn't "done" enough yet and won't be available for some time? And/or perhaps he was thinking of amping up the graphics even more on the X16 version. I agree though it was a bummer and certainly the pessimistic side of me was pretty distraught.
Is 65816 still "try it when feasible"?
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:40 am
by Perifractic
That was a particularly odd choice on his part. He could rather have cancelled all other versions and stuck to this, for the good of the project. Perhaps he doesn't really feel this is his computer anymore, or he doesn't realize that as the father of the project, abandoning your child will look terrible in the eyes of the community. I would call this his biggest blunder to date - at least from my POV.
Not sure how far back you're quoting but the X16 version is very much happening and David can't wait to start.
It's true that it didn't make much sense to start writing the port while we were having problems with the prototype (to be expected with any project) but he's only waiting for feature lock so he doesn't have to write it twice.
The rest of what you say is hearsay and not particularly helpful, nor accurate. We're already discussing his "Part 3" video that he's making.
I realize speculation can occur when we don't design the entire computer in the open, but as I say to others, please remember how unprecedented the level of access we have given is. Have you ever seen this openness before in any major project, before crowdfunding even starts?
To summarize, Pet Robots is happening, David's next video is being planned, and there's nothing more to it really. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is 65816 still "try it when feasible"?
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:47 am
by Perifractic
I pondered this and the optimistic scenario I came up with was probably the sound design not being set in stone perhaps?...
Thank you for taking the positive optimistic route. You weren't far off at all. [emoji106][emoji973]️
Is 65816 still "try it when feasible"?
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:29 am
by smartroad
On 12/30/2020 at 10:46 PM, m00dawg said:
I pondered this and the optimistic scenario I came up with was probably the sound design not being set in stone perhaps? Or at least super different from the SID soundtrack the C64 will have. I thought perhaps the VERA might also be a bit shift but since it's textmode, maybe not quite so much. It could just be the X16 isn't "done" enough yet and won't be available for some time? And/or perhaps he was thinking of amping up the graphics even more on the X16 version. I agree though it was a bummer and certainly the pessimistic side of me was pretty distraught.
When I saw that I immediately thought, oh he is waiting for the computer to be finalised. My understanding (and apologies if I am wrong) is that, for one thing, the sound system still isn't set. It wouldn't make much sense to develop for the current system only to find out it has completely changed and that part has to be totally rewritten.
I do a little programming myself mostly microcontroller, but change one seemingly little part and you may need to rewrite chunks of other parts as well. Its why I am waiting for the final product with its user manual, I don't want to learn something and then have to unlearn it!