C64 colors are off

DrKucho · Post by **DrKucho** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:22 pm

Is it just me? Been messing around with the emulator a bit today and I think the c64 colors assigned to the first 16 colors of the palette are so wrong ?

in general are too saturated , but not just that , blues are so off, they are regular blues while the c64 blues are kind of different, specially light blue , also light green is not light enough

Kilian Hekhuis · Post by **Kilian Hekhuis** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:24 am

Interesting observation. It's this compared to a real C64 on an era-appropriate monitor, or a modern emulator running on the same computer as the X16 emulator?

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TomXP411 · Post by **TomXP411** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:42 am

Bear in mind that no two VIC chips gave exactly the same color, and the colors on NTSC and PAL were also different. And just to make things interesting, the VICE pallet doesn't really match any of my 4 Commodores....

the good news is that you can set the pallet however you like, so if you want a slightly more Commodore look, you can tweak the colors pretty easily.

Cyber · Post by **Cyber** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:16 am

no two VIC chips gave exactly the same color

What do you mean? The chips are digital. How can they be different?

DrKucho · Post by **DrKucho** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:20 am

1 hour ago, Kilian Hekhuis said:

Interesting observation. It's this compared to a real C64 on an era-appropriate monitor, or a modern emulator running on the same computer as the X16 emulator?

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both, several c64 machines on 1702 & 1084 monitors and Vice , I'm not talking about small differences, I see the colors really off

DrKucho · Post by **DrKucho** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:24 am

1 hour ago, TomXP411 said:

Bear in mind that no two VIC chips gave exactly the same color, and the colors on NTSC and PAL were also different. And just to make things interesting, the VICE pallet doesn't really match any of my 4 Commodores....

the good news is that you can set the pallet however you like, so if you want a slightly more Commodore look, you can tweak the colors pretty easily.

vice colors are much closer to what I see on the real hardware, I'm used to PAL colors , it might be a NTSC thing but i really doubt the differences are that big.

yeah, you can edit them thats absolutely great, but I was thinking on all the games that are going to be released using the c64 palette ( I hope ) that probably won't tweak the colors and they are gonna look so off ...

Kilian Hekhuis · Post by **Kilian Hekhuis** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:30 am

What do you mean? The chips are digital. How can they be different?

Because there's analogue circuitry involved in displaying the colours on a non-digital monitor like a TV or a monitor taking composite in.

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TomXP411 · Post by **TomXP411** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:36 pm

7 hours ago, Cyber said:

What do you mean? The chips are digital. How can they be different?

Except they are not digital. The video output portion is analog. It has to be, since NTSC and PAL are both analog, and especially with NTSC, user adjustments can make for very different pictures.

BruceMcF · Post by **BruceMcF** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:46 pm

8 minutes ago, TomXP411 said:

Except they are not digital. The video output portion is analog. It has to be, since NTSC and PAL are both analog, and especially with NTSC, user adjustments can make for very different pictures.

Quite. While "PAL" stands for "Pretty, but Annoying Lag", NTSC stands for "Never The Same Color".

StinkerB06 · Post by **StinkerB06** » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:06 pm

20 minutes ago, BruceMcF said:

Quite. While "PAL" stands for "Pretty, but Annoying Lag", NTSC stands for "Never The Same Color".

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